Podcast Episode 83: Madi Murphy

Alison : We have no windscreen today, so we’re going rogue, Jean

Jean: What’s a windscreen?

Alison : That thing that comes over it to cover the microphone.

Jean: I didn’t even notice it, actually.

Alison : Really? it’s a free naked mic, isn’t it nice?

Jean: Looks nice.

Alison : Yeah. Hi.

Jean: It’s unencumbered.

Alison : It’s unencumbered. It’s free. It’s a free spirit.

Jean: Right.

Alison : How you doing?

Jean: I’m good.

Jean: How are you doing?

Alison : I’m good. We’re just talking about chapped lips.

Jean: Right.. Because it’s been so dry here and my lips get really chopped.

Alison : Me too.

Jean: I’m always putting on some type of lip balm.

Alison : Um, do you follow astrology?

Jean: No, I don’t follow astrology. But that being said, I’m way more interested in it now because of the wonderful book we just read.

Alison : Yeah, I really liked this book. I had a friend. We both had a friend, Donna, that really was very into horoscopes and astrology, and her enthusiasm kind of wore off on me. And so I really enjoyed talking to her about it. And I feel the same way about Maddy. When someone’s really passionate about something, then I like, glom on and enjoy it. Mhm. Do you know what I mean?

Jean: Absolutely. It like opens up a new, uh, creative expression. And I have to say, I always thought that astrology was on the confusing side and, um… What house you’re in… And this is… And, and she has broken it down so beautifully that it really made me want to engage in it more.

Alison : Right. Yeah. It’s like how I felt when you and I. You convinced me to bake a German chocolate cake for Dan. You broke it down. Your passion was there. Do you know what I mean? And I’m like, let’s do it. Yeah. You know, she’s great. Her name is Maddie Murphy, and I can’t wait to talk to her. She wrote a book called In the Cosmic Zone. Embody the 12 astro archetypes to unleash your genius and activate your authentic self. And it’s interesting. She takes astrology and puts it on another level. Like, it’s not really about astrology. It’s not like what? Moon? Like it’s just really about how you can live your life, don’t you think? This book.

Jean: Yeah, I think it’s it’s, um, as she writes, because I’m taking this…. It’s, um, noticing your patterns and understanding your gifts. And it’s it’s like a roadmap or a.,, Yeah, like a roadmap to your own to your soul. So that is all.

Alison : That’s right.

Jean: Yeah, but that came from her book somewhere. But I’m just remembering it.

Alison : But that’s really good. I mean, I really I can’t wait to talk to her.

Jean: I know, and okay… Besides being so fantastic as this, um, cosmic Rx writer who calls herself head, which,  she’s just such a….

Alison : Her writing is fun.

Jean: Her writings fun, but her personality is so gorgeous. I really listen to her on other interviews. So this is going to be.

Alison : It’s going to be great. Are you ready?

Jean: I’m ready.

Alison : Okay, here we go.

Alison : HI!!

Madi: Can you hear me?

Alison : Yeah,

Madi: Always, always the hardest part of just life is the technology. So once that’s on board, I’m, like, smooth sailing from here.

Jean: Who knew that we would have to become so tech….tech people.

Madi:  I did not sign up to be an AV. I’m like, I am a creative. I’m a storyteller. You think I know? It gives me so humble though. It keeps me so humble, I love it.

Jean: That’s so true. There’s nothing about embracing your inner techie in your ,  in the cosmic zone.

Madi: No, it’s like I can live in the cosmic zone. I can help you manifest your dream life. We can heal, we can co-create. But don’t ask me to understand why, sometimes the audio input works and other times it doesn’t. You know, like, don’t don’t ask me.

Alison : So true. We’re always, like, sitting here like this before.

Madi: Like like nothing changed. But I’m like, it just might not work this time.

Alison : Exactly.

Jean: And we’re recording. Alison.

Alison : That’s right. We did it. I’m Alison, Madi

Jean: Hi, Madi, and i’m Jean.

Madi: Hi, Jean.

Jean: Thank you so much for saying yes to being on our podcast. It’s, um, really wonderful to see you via zoom, but to have the time to talk with you.

Alison : Your book is so interesting. It’s not at all what I thought it was going.

Madi: And I think I like that…

Alison : Because, you know, you hear astrology and we all have our built in, like conformist stuff. Like I was like, oh, do I have to hear about, like, a moon thing? But it’s not like that at all.

Madi: Okay. Thank you. I’ve obviously talked about this a lot, and you’re the first person who really, like, picked up what I was putting down, I was like, I just wanted this to be a book that you could be really into astrology or kind of eye rolling at it and still get something out of it in just astrology for me, is just this beautiful lens and framework for understanding our journey of being a human, and there’s so much to unlock there that we don’t even have to go into the like Saturn and Venus of it all and the like some of this mumbo jumbo that we’re like, what? What’s sextiling who? Um, more just like the journey, right of of of this, like beautiful, um, archetypal like toolkit that I think the universe gave us. So thank you for, um, just mirroring that back so beautifully.

Alison : And I also feel like, you know, um, at least I am like, the person that I’ll read horoscopes and I’m like, oh, I’m not a Taurus skip. Like, oh,  I’m a Virgo,  so let’s see what that says. But then in this book I have learned that really all of these I am all the cosmos.

Madi: You are. Sing it baby, like you are all the cosmos…. Isn’t that, like, so beautiful and delicious? And it’s also this crazy reminder of like, oh yeah, like this moment in time we’re in. Even in history where we’re like, wow, we’re so different. We have to own our authentic self. But we’re all like the same thing, just different. Like proportions of the same ingredients. Right? Like that’s actually a really beautiful. Right? Like we all carry this. And are you a Virgo.

Alison : Yeah.

Jean: And we’re from New York.

Madi: Oh, okay. Okay, so we got some New Yorkers. So we keep it real New York. That’s why. That’s why my book, I’m like, I gotta keep this real. Okay. I gotta just make this, like, practical, because I get it. I’m a New Yorker, like my dad, you know, was a taxi driver, my great grandpa, steelworker. I got to keep things, like, a little level set for people, right? Like.

Alison : Yeah, Bronx, long Island.

Madi: Shut up. Okay. Yeah. So I’m, you know, Manhattan, Queens, Long Island, but had lots of family in the Bronx, so. All right, this is good. This is good. We’re, like, already, like, locked in. We’re on the same wavelength and seen.

Alison : Thank you for joining us, Maddy.

Madi: That’s all we need to know about that. Yeah.

Alison : We hope everyone got something out of that.

Jean:  I think it’s important to say if you would share a little bit about your journey. I know you’ve shared it with so many other people, but  i really feel that hearing what you experienced before you wrote this book really, uh, gives credence to why this is so important.

Madi: Um.

Jean: And sharing it with the world.

Madi: Absolutely. Um, thank you for that opportunity. I think, like, I think I do think stories help us, you know, connect and understand things so much more deeply in the world, but within ourselves. And I think a lot of people listening, if they’re drawn to your podcast, um, they have in common with them, is I was born with this, just knowing that there was like, something more. Yeah. What is that? I don’t know, but, like, you’re kind of looking around at certain things, and I was like, I just feel like connected to something bigger, right? Spirit source, God, the divine, whatever you want to call it, in that, um, you know, our human silly language we attach to things. And also that I was like, born for something like a mission. Like I wanted to help people, but nothing…. The usual routes were not it, right? I went through all the normal things, like should I go into social work? Should I be a volunteer? Should I go work in politics and everything? The universe was like, no, no. So it made me actually feel kind of lost, even though I always had this very clear sense of self, but like how it applied in the world, I didn’t really understand. And then, um, you know, the universe gives us a few moments. I would say that definitely it feels like everything is falling apart. You’re having these like, breakdown moments, but when you look back on them, you’re like, oh, actually, everything was coming together. That was my breakthrough moment. My first moment of that was I was ready to get married, walk down the aisle.

Alison : Yeah.

Madi: All signed, sealed, delivered. Everything done. And I just was like…. I always kind of knew it wasn’t really right, but I was just like, no, this is what you do? Get married. You’re 27. 28. Like, this person’s great. This that other thing. Um, and I just started getting this, like, huge…. Like, it almost felt a little bit like you’re going a little crazy because I’m like, wow, I’m having so many signs and symbols and interventions and dreams and my body shutting down. And is this telling me not to go through with this? But up to that point, I had really embodied the good girl archetype. Meaning, did not like confrontation, did not like letting people down. I didn’t even like if someone asked me, where do you want to go to eat? I don’t know, where do you where do you want to eat? Like what do what do you want to do with your life? I don’t know what everything in my life was for someone else. And it was my first moment that I just had to really, really own that this level of not choosing myself was like going to put me down a really dangerous path that this, like being a people pleaser, was turning into like a self-betrayal where I’m like, this is a really big decision, like who you marry. And, um, it was the scariest thing I’ve ever done because it was just on intuition. It was just on vibes. Nothing happened, nothing bad happened, but it was just like me finally realizing this cute little like college relationship that was kind of lukewarm. This isn’t like your this isn’t your big yes. And you have to learn how to distinguish. Right. Like the shoulds.

Alison : Yeah.

Madi: From like what you really wanted to do. And I just say this because, um, I found out later that it was during a very astrologically significant time in my life, in our late 20s. We go through this initiation called the Saturn Return. So years later, I was like, oh my gosh, I wish I knew that because I would have had a little bit more context versus thinking like, that’s it. Maddie’s gone off the deep end. Um, and what that forced me to do was essentially like, blow up everything that I knew in my life. Everything that was true, everything that had been laid, you know, laid out in front of me, essentially just blew it all up. And then so I was like, well, I have to rebuild. But now I made this really public stance that I’m not going to, like, have an inauthentic life. And I’m not going to say yes to things that aren’t true to me. So then I had to go back to square one and be like, what is true? Who am I? Who am I when I’m not just making myself into this little mold who I think people think I should be? Yeah. And that led me on a journey to coming back to astrology, energetics, metaphysics, studies like meditation, tarot card pulling. Because I was, like, desperate enough to try anything. Like I was like, you know, like I got a little bit, like, cynical of that stuff or skeptical of it.

Madi: Um, and then returning to it as an adult through my lifelines and especially astrology, because all those feelings I had as a young girl, like, I feel like I’m made for something bigger and I feel sort of like, connected in this way that’s hard to put into words. Astrology gave me my first roadmap to myself because in my birth chart is what I’m doing now right? Is sort of being this translator for the stars and the cosmos. But there wasn’t, um, you know, there wasn’t a guidance counselor out at my high school. So, um, so that was the first big moment that I was like, okay, like I’m locked in. I feel like, okay, a new direction, new tools, new language. And then that set me off on another, you know, many other adventures and misadventures. Um, but astrology has been something I’ve come back to over and over and over again. It has, like, saved my life. It has blessed my life. It’s helped me understand myself, other people around me, the context of sociological moments we’re in. Um, and so I am now on a mission to try and get it out to as many people as possible, but making it accessible, easy to integrate. A little fun, I I hope.

Alison : Yeah. You know what’s funny? It made me pull out a birth chart that I don’t understand and look up things. So you inspired me. And just to give our listener an idea, you’ve broken up your book into 12 archetypes that are meaningful to everyone. And it’s not really, um, it’s very accessible. And it starts with personals. Like why now? Why me?

Madi: Mhm.

Alison : Incorporating where you are. And then it kind of grows into sort of a worldview. And you describe that a little bit to our listeners.

Madi: Absolutely. Um so I love what you just held up is your birth chart and it’s a wheel. And so that’s the first thing is that I want people to understand maybe through this book, um, is that everyone’s birth chart is a circle. 360 degrees. No one is missing anything. We’re not born a fragment, right? We’re born whole in this whole expression of essentially, the 12 zodiac signs are a division, like we’re New Yorkers. So you imagine almost like a pizza pie in the sky, dividing the night sky into 12 slices. Those are the zodiac signs. So they represent like the wholeness. But we’re all born whole. I think we come in, you know, if we know a little bit of astrology. I’m a Virgo, I’m a Virgo, I’m this, I’m that. But then that’s a piece of it, right? We’re born with access to a mansion, like a mansion, and some of us are like walking into the mud room of the mansion and being like, why don’t….. And this isn’t that great? I’m like, yeah, like you’ve only just got in like one step, like there’s so much more. And, um, so I love to really help people understand that within them are all these 12. I call them archetypal energies because to me they exist way beyond like a person or a trait. But it’s these like gifts from the universe. And like every gift, sometimes you know, they can be a blessing, sometimes they can be a burden. It’s up to us to understand how to to wield it. But, um, in this expression, it’s like every single challenge we come up against, there’s a key in our chart to unlock it. Everything we want to do and create, everything, how we want to expand or evolve, um, it’s right there in our chart to help us unlock, oh, what’s the archetypal energy that I need to embrace or embody to open up to more abundance or more love or more trust? And  I’m a Virgo, so I love problem solving.

Madi: I love connecting dots. Once I realized that, like we had this, I was like, do more people know that? Like we carry all of this energy within us? It’s It just for a lot of us, it’s dormant. We’re not aware. And so my book, I like to think of it as a little bit of like a book and maybe a little bit of like a spell. Because even if you don’t understand every single thing happening in your chart just by reading it is this understanding of like, oh, I do have all of this within me. I felt that before or I know that feeling. This is how I can maybe work with it a little bit more mindfully. Um, and you know, I am a big believer of putting proof behind what I do because I was doing this for myself. But then I started working with clients and, you know, kind of friends and people on referral basis and then just kept the business, kept, you know, people, more people being referred to me. I didn’t have a website for like six years. I was just book, book, book, book, book taking people through this journey of their chart and really like going in and building this toolkit based on this. And I realized that every single one of us, whether we’re someone who works in Hollywood, someone who’s, you know, top of their game in sports, whether we’re a beautiful like mother or someone who’s initiated into motherhood or a teacher. I was like, we all come up against the same 12 universal blocks.

Jean: Mhm.

Madi: To living in our light, to living in self-trust. And those 12 blocks have a key to unlock in our chart. So it was so cool. I started seeking out clients and I’m like, no, I wanted to work with people with different ages, different backgrounds because I was like, is this really like work? And I was like, oh my God, it’s so cool. It really does. Um, so that is sort of like each of those zodiac signs that we can kind of like roll our eyes at or tease or see little like jokes like, oh, Virgos are this way, or Scorpios are that way. That’s fun, that’s silly. It’s fun. I found that too. But like, um, on a higher level. Yeah. I’m like, this is like, everything we need to know. Um. About what unlocks us when we feel stuck. Everything we need to know to feel really embodied and really here and present and everything we need to know to live in alignment.

Jean: And when you say alignment, are you so is that how you define the cosmic zone. And so what is the cosmic zone.

Madi: Yeah. So I mean really the cosmic zone in a really simple way. I’ll break it down a bit more to me is just where you are living in a state of your life where you feel really alive and things feel like you are flowing, you feel fulfilled, you feel there’s a certain level of freedom to what you’re doing and that you’re having fun. Like, I just want to reiterate to everyone, like we’re allowed to have fun. Like we’re serious things happening always in life. Those never go away, but we get to take ourselves a little less seriously and actually experience joy and whimsy and pleasure and delight at being a human. Like, it’s a quick ride. Like, let’s enjoy it, right? And so, um, and that actually creates more like resilience and, um, and, you know, regenerative energy for us to deal with the harder things. Um, but I like to think about living in the cosmic zone is three things knowing your authentic self. Because we can’t do anything without that. Because like that version of Maddy I was talking about up until 27, I had tastes of who I was authentically, but like, how are we going to live in our cosmic zone in a place of all those things? I just said fun, freedom, you know, flow state. If we’re like wearing shoes that don’t fit, like how, you know, we’re like walking around in shoes that are three sizes too small or big.

Madi: Like, we’re not we’re not having fun. We’re not in flow. We’re like clunky, we’re restricted. Um, so understanding your authentic self and really just giving yourself permission to be multidimensional. That’s my favorite kind of permission to give people is that like, you don’t have to just be scientific or just responsible or just smart or like, you know, I think especially as women, we’re like, wait, we can be smart and spiritual and strategic and sexy and wild and domestic and like, like, oh my God. Yeah. Like, we don’t have to be one thing. So understand your authentic self. And then embodiment is a big thing to the cosmic zone, which I guess the simplest way of saying it is, like all of us, we read so much. We all have the internet, Instagram now we have like these ChatGPT and AI models. So we’re like, there’s an abundance of information out there, right? Um, but like, can you really, like, ground it into your body? Can you Walk the walk. Can you also, like, be really present and like land in your body, which to me is, you know, where all of our power is. Um, and then alignment that comes from all of that is, I like to say, it’s like you’re surfing with the universal rhythms.

Madi: Before you understand all of this, maybe you’re caught in the riptide and we, you know, East Coast girlies. We know like that Riptide, you’re out at Jones Beach or Robert Moses or the Hamptons. We’re like, you don’t want to be going against that. Like, right? That’s where  life is really exhausting and dare I say, scary. But then all of a sudden it’s like, oh, like I feel an authentic self. I feel embodied, and I just kind of trust my yeses. And I trust my nose. And I know it’s all working out for me because I am, like, present to everything. I’m paying attention to signs from the universe. I’m understanding my astrological rhythms a little bit where I can say, oh, you know what I tell my clients? There are seasons of life to push forward and seasons of life to pull back. And when you understand that, it’s like, oh yeah, like I’m surfing. It’s almost like I’m playing with the universe and this co-creative state. Um, so it’s a long explanation. But if you were like, wow, that was a lot. I would say, just go back to those F’s. I said, it’s the flow, it’s the freedom, it’s the fun, it’s the fulfillment.

Alison : It’s not long. It’s great. Um, you talk a lot in your book about, um, like, intuition and following your gut. So how do you know the difference? Or how will I know the difference between intuition and fear? Dressed up as, um, sometimes I don’t know  that I know the difference sometimes. Do you know.

Madi: I know it’s very pesky fear….fear and anxiety are  like a little self-critic. I feel like they learned how to, like, overpower the intuitive, like, take over the the microphone, the audio.

Alison : But that is the intuition.

Madi: Yeah. And you’re like, is that my intuition is telling me to be… So if everyone’s,journey for themselves, I’m going to recommend two things, i’m a Virgo and i love to give homework. It’s in my book every chapter’s homework. So anyone listening,  I’m going to give you some homework. Um, so that’s embodiment is doing it for yourself, right. So the first thing I’ll say is a broad like thing to check in. What I’ve learned from years of doing this and years of getting people, especially women, to really trust and act on their intuition in some bold ways, like really like big life changes based on intuitive hits. The first thing I say is that your intuition is never mean to you. So if you have a voice in your head that’s telling you you’re too old or too this or too that, no one’s going to like you. You’re going to fail miserably. That’s not your intuition, your intuition. It comes from the same source, I believe, of like a higher power. Like it’s your intuition, your higher self, your higher power. They are operating on one channel and they do not speak to you in a way that is mean. Okay. Like that’s the first thing any, like, mean, nasty talk,

Madi: that’s not your intuition, right? Um, and the second thing is that your intuition is quiet. So we do have to…. That’s why I like meditation, stillness walks, journaling, putting the phone down. I’m speaking to myself something like, why is my intuition not speaking to me? I’m like, because I wake up and I’m like, the phone’s in my head like this, close to my brain, like millions of thoughts all day. So like, I’m like modern day meditation practice. Just like, don’t have your phone for an hour. I promise you, your intuition is going to come through loud and clear. But creating some space, um, for your intuition to get through to you. And then from there, like noticing your intuition is quiet, but it’s persistent. Like I feel like fear and things come up in a moment, like a knee jerk. And they’re loud and they’re like, it’s like a lake. They’re like splashing around in the lake, like someone jumping in. Whereas, like, your intuition is like ripples, like very steady. So it’s to like, quiet the mind a little bit. But there, there, right there, like like for me, this person’s not the person for you to marry. Like, I felt that for a long time the night I was proposed, to which everyone’s like, this is like your dream night.

Madi: I remember laying awake all night and I love sleep, I love sleep, I, I can always sleep. That night I laid awake all night staring at the ceiling. And so that was like my first hit. That like something like my intuition was like, okay. And then I just kept getting these ripple effects and these and these thoughts. And usually your intuition when you think of like following it, like, what if I did because my mind was terrified, right? I had we were moving across the country. My friend group was all my security, all my identity was wrapped up in this person. Plus, being a people pleaser, I’m like everyone I know just spent all this money and time and we have all this stuff set up like. But when I really thought, like, brought myself into my mind’s eye of following my intuition. I felt open like a flower. Like opening, like blooming. Like wow, that feels really light and free. So usually if you tune in and if you follow that, like, what if I did that? Usually energetically you’ll feel lighter or more alive.

Alison : Mhm.

Madi: Because that’s where your intuition is usually trying to guide you. But the homework I would say is doing something to build the mystical muscle before it’s a do or die moment. Like that was my, that was my do or die moment. I went, I went, I went all in. I was like, okay, I guess I’m gonna do this now and trust my intuition. Um, but I work with my clients. I’m like, there’s so many little ways you could track your dreams. You can just practice. Like if you get an intuitive hit for a friend, text them, call them like, I was just thinking of you, or I really needed to hear that. And you’re like, okay, mystical muscle. Like, I’m right. We work out in the gym. So that way we’re strong for like in real life moments, we’re like, okay, we’re working our flexibility, like our, you know, our mobility. And then when we fall on the curb, we’re like, oh, I got right back up. I’m so happy I worked on that muscle for so long. So it’s the same thing. And I think, um, pulling like Oracle cards, like buying an angel card or a tarot card, even, like, even if you don’t know what they mean, just pulling them once a day for like a month and seeing like, oh, wow…. When I pulled that card, it made me think of this person from work, I don’t know. And then maybe like later that night, you get an email from them and you’re like, okay, like I’m just you’re just starting to understand that there’s more happening in your mind than just like our, our overpowering thoughts. Um, so, you know, I would say everything I just said, you know, got to make space for it. Your intuition is never mean to you. And it usually is like quiet but persistent, and it leads you to somewhere that feels open and then finding some way to work with your intuition every day, like a muscle.

Alison : You know, I love that you said, um, uh, it’s quiet because there is sometimes an I’ll call Jean. Like, I’m nervous to do this thing. I’m nervous to do this. And Jean will just say, well, what if you didn’t do it? How would that feel? And it would feel lousy.

Madi: Yes.

Alison : You know what I mean? Like I think. Oh, yeah. Right. So you’re right. It is sort of like you feel this… Oh, yeah. No, I really guess I’m going to do that thing.

Madi: Yeah. Like the not doing it doesn’t feel good either. And I want to tell everyone like I sometimes, like you are scared. I think your intuition is telling you to do that is like the leaving the comfort zone for the cosmic zone. It’s not that it’s not scary. It’s not that. It’s not like fear isn’t there, but it’s like an exciting fear. Like it’s like, oh, could I breathe into this fear and actually realize that it’s a little bit anxiety, excitement for doing something that’s out of my comfort zone. Um, right. And, like, kind of sitting with that and not being afraid of that fear, instead being like, there was some from the book, The Big Leap, um, he talks about like the difference between fear and excitement is just our breath.

Alison : Oh.

Jean: Oh yeah.

Madi: Can I, like, breathe into this and let this feel like, oh yeah, like, this is exciting fear…. not like,  the fear like we’re going to die if we try something new. Like, oh my God…. You’re like, well, probably not…..

Jean: We wish our listeners could see your face.  hahaha

Jean: Oh my goodness. Okay, Madi, do you feel,  I feel you can use your book like an oracle deck.

Madi: Yes. Thank you 100%.

Jean: Okay, you can hold it right. And ask the universe to show you.

Madi: Okay. You two are very. You two are very plugged in. Okay- i’m sorry-  i’ve been talking about this book  non-stop for six months. And you two are picking up on some stuff that I haven’t even had a chance to talk about. No one knew. But when I wrote the book the whole time, I really just had my prayer over. The book was like, I’m a, I’m a girl. I’m a messy girl from Long Island. I don’t have the you think, who am I to write a book, right? I have a lot of experience and receipts and things that I’ve kind of gathered along the way that I think work for people. But at the end of the day, I can’t sit and write this book that I have it all figured out for anyone picking this up, but I just chose to write it like a prayer and be like, I just like, let things come through that I think someone might need to hear. And I want this to be a book that the confession- I don’t read a lot of books that are self-development, self-help books cover to cover. I pick them up on days where I’m like, what do I need to hear right now? Right. And it’s always slapped. And it’s like, I want to be that for someone, right? Like that kind of bibliomancy they call it. I want to be like, you’re going through a hard day, or you pick this up in an airport, Hudson News, and you just open to a page and you’re like, yeah, that’s exactly what I needed to hear. And that’s all we need sometimes, right. So exactly. So if you use this book of like as a way of testing your intuition, what I need to know today, what do I need to focus on or what am I not seeing about this scenario or myself right now? And you open up to a page like really practice trusting. Trusting what you read, trusting how you interpret that.

Jean: I love that you say that because I got up to about chapter five and it was beautiful. I felt like Every chapter was talking to me. I could relate to every.

Alison : Yeah. Me too.

Jean: And then I, I, uh, I was going to bed, and I picked up your book. I knew we were having our interview, and I turned and I just opened to around the the 12th chapter – Trusting God.  And it was exactly what I needed.

Madi: Mhm.

Jean: Yeah. It was beautiful.

Alison : Yeah.

Madi: Oh that makes me so happy.

Madi: Thank you I love that. That’s all I wanted to just have as a book that had its own sort of connection to, to people and words in there. And I um you know I this might if anyone’s like, not tuned into astrology, they can tune me out for a second if this is going to confuse them or they’re not into it at all. But, um, what’s cool about working with the book is there’s your personal astrology where you could just read it like, okay, I’m a Virgo sun. Maybe I’m a Gemini Moon. I want to really hone in on the back of the book has a little like explanation of what that unlocks. Like, okay, if you want more emotional fulfillment or you want better relationships, like go to these keys. Um, you can also read it. I recommend the book just by the season. Right. So we’re in Aquarius season right now, which is all about revolution and humanity and progress. And you know, we’re definitely feeling that. So you can read the 11th key and be like, what am I focusing on right now? All right. If the future is ours, like the future belongs to us, that’s really cool. Um, but then there’s this, like larger cycles of astrology, and this is where it’s a little confusing if you don’t know.

Madi: But, you know, I have a lot of stuff that I offer that helps break it down. But what you just said really struck me, because we are in this collective moment where we’re all meant to be walking a little bit in a more Pisces energy, like, which is being in that like really connection to God, connection to seeing God in each other, connection to You like? Oh, right. Like, what if we’re in a place of deep healing right now and we’re actually coming together? And can we just trust we can’t really see everything ahead? Maybe. But, like, can we lead with the heart? Right. Can we have more empathy? More compassion? Um, and so like, that’s just something that like, on a larger level, like we’re all being asked to connect with more. So I love that something in you nudged into that and it was like, like you’re stepping into the the stream into the current, right? The surfing, you’re like, oh, I needed to hear that. But that’s also probably, you know, part of your assignment right now to get into alignment is that which is just like, makes me just tickles me.

Alison : I thought it was really interesting in this book about your idea of harmony.

Madi: Mhm, mhm.

Alison : Because right now, like I think people believe that they are right.

Madi: Mhm.

Alison : No matter what side you’re talking about or who you’re talking about. I’m right. And it’s this very intense conviction. Mhm. It’s very binary black and white.

Madi: Mhm.

Alison : And um, I would love for you to talk a little bit because I think what you’re saying is so right. Like when I read that last chapter I was like, oh my gosh, this is exactly where we are. We need to figure out like you’re talking about like a new harmony. And that harmony is like harmony is not like, um, I forget how you say it. Do you remember how you said it? It’s so perfect like about that…. It’s not just, uh, it’s a new creation.

Madi: It’s a new creation, and it’s like, new, like, um, thank you for saying that. No, it’s so, like, can I think about it a lot? And it’s so funny. You write something and you’re like, I don’t sometimes I write, I don’t know where this is coming from. And then I see it like in a lived out moment. And I think that so many of us can acknowledge that, like the world we live in could be done so much better, right? Like across the board. I don’t care who you are. It’s like there’s a lot of room for improvement here. And I think that we think that we have to like, hold this, do this thing or hold this like, torch or be this, have everything all figured out. But like, no, we actually just have to bring like our unique note with the intention of creating something beautiful and new and like in a choir or in a chorus, like someone’s not expected to hold one note the whole time, right? Like someone comes forward with their part, they take a breath, someone else comes forward with their part. Or there are certain moments where like, does this go together? Like, actually it can go together. Like we can create this harmony. And there’s almost like a, like a, a new song that we’re weaving in our society and a civilization kind of as we know it. And I think that it’s just even going in with the intention of like, we can create harmony. So that was like the Libra key. This year I saw in New York at Central Park… You know, they had the strawberry fields.

Madi: So they had for John Lennon’s birthday, who was a Libra. They had everyone went and sang a song and their song, like everyone’s while they were singing and they were representing like, we each have a note to bring right in. Like, imagine to imagine a new future. And I was like, this is what I was writing about. I didn’t even realize it or think about it from that way, but I was listening to them like, how how like, um, it made me tear up. Yeah. All these people, and they weren’t professional singers, but they all brought a note and it made like the harmony and the resonance. It like, brought me into the heart space. I was like, really moved by it. And I was like, oh, we can create harmony like that. That was a cool, like lived experience of art experience, what I was trying to convey in people. And, you know, I just like to tell people because as an astrologer, people was like, what’s happening? What’s happening? And I’m like, all I have to say is that like that harmony, like focusing on that, we are not going back the way we came, like we are going to a whole new future right now and something no one on this planet has ever lived through. And it’s I keep calling it like the joyful reimagining. Like we get to reimagine right now, like how we want to feel and live and be in community with each other. Um, and we all have we all have a note to bring. Even if you think you don’t, you absolutely do.

Alison : Right. And I think too, you, you talk a lot about um curiosity.

Madi: Mhm. Yes.

Alison : We find that people when we because we do read a lot of spiritual books you know for these interviews and curiosity is such a key don’t you think, to living in love.

Madi: It is because it’s open. And at the end of the day, like love is about being open hearted, right? Right. So once we think we have, like, something locked in, we close our heart, right?

Alison : And I love, I love some of your book made me tear up actually because I thought some of it… I felt you were speaking right to me, which was kind of creepy because I didn’t know you. Um.

Madi: I love I love creepy people out in the best way possible.

Alison : I was like, wait, who is this? Get out of my head. And then some of it was just like, oh, there is…. It felt hopeful.

Madi: Yes. Yes.  Well, first of all, I love everything you’re saying, and I’m going to put a pin and come back to the curiosity thing. But if there’s one thing that I have a lot of, and that I would bet my bottom dollar on, it is hope. And it is that we are going into a much better reality for all of us. And I’m not just saying this again when I started studying astrology the first time for myself, I was like, this is really empowering. I got to know about me and my cycles and who I am and my purpose. But then I started studying. A few years later, a teacher gave me a book about like the history of the world, The Astrological lens, and I was I love history and I’m up at night like 3 a.m. my now husband is like, what are you doing? I’m like, honey, like, we’re going into some crazy astrology. This was like 2017. He’s like, what do you mean? I’m like, I’m like 2020. My teacher was like, 2020. March 2020, we’re going to go through a big reset. We’re going to start imploding society and rebuilding it. And like 2025, 2026. And I was kind of like, yeah, because, you know, sometimes, like I love the spiritual community, but sometimes we’re a little dramatic, right? Like we’re on Instagram like the biggest full moon of your life. You’re going through a portal. And I’m like, really? Like every full moon, are we? Again, my New Yorkers like, are we though? And then so I’m like paying attention and I’m interested and I’m reading but I’m a little bit like what’s going to stop the world.

Madi: Like we live in a very fast paced world. Nothing happens. We can barely hold on to something for like a new cycle more than a day at a headline, right? And then March 2020 happened and I literally, I literally called my teacher. I was like, wait, hold on. Everything you told me, tell me again now because I need to dial in. And he told me, and I’ve been studying it very, um, avidly. Is that like, we’re just going into a really a time where we’re, like, unearthing so much, but, like, there’s so much potentiality for, like, a shift, like we’ve never seen and especially for heart centered, compassionate, empathetic, like spiritually attuned people to really be like the leaders in a way that’s almost hard to comprehend, but like they will because they’re being uplifted, because like, the universe kind of knows like that’s who we need to bring us out of this. Um, and I’ve seen it through, um, astrology is like data science. Like, you just see, like, oh, well, every time this happens, these are these, you know, historical moments that happen. And so we’re in a few different cycles, and each and every one of them points to a beautiful, like reclaiming a beautiful, like redistribution of power, a beautiful redistribution of who’s the leader of healing. So but like any healing, it’s like, it’s not it’s not exactly neat and tidy when you’re going through it.

Alison : Right?

Jean: Yeah. It’s like, you know, they liken it to giving birth. It’s not a clean …

Madi: It’s not like the movies –  you’re not like. And I’m pregnant and I leave the room and I’m just like perfect hair and makeup and sunny lighting in there.  You’re like, no, that is raw. .

Alison : There’s Screaming.

Madi: There is primal scream. There’s just things flying everywhere. I threw up multiple times during my labors. Like my husband’s like I never saw that side of you. And I’m like, yeah, like I’m it’s it’s very, you know, it’s tomb womb energy. Right. It’s a death thing. It’s a birthing. Um, and I just think about, like, every day I’m like. I just think it’s so cool that, like, my lineage, like, my bloodline was like, yep, you can handle this moment. So I’m like, cool. Like, I guess I’m here for a reason. Um, and it’s what gets me really hyped up on days where sometimes, you know, it can be a lot like all the news. You’re like, it can get you a little down. But I just like to tell people you were born right, right now on purpose, with purpose. And it’s not by accident.

Alison : That’s great. On purpose. With purpose.

Jean: Very beautiful.

Alison : And lately I’ve been saying to my husband. And he said to me today, where did you get this? Out of your comfort zone? And I’m like, right here, mister. He’s laughing because I’m like, I think I’m going to take up Pilates. Yes. Out of my comfort zone. I walked out of the room. He’s just like, where is Alison?

Madi: I am obsessed with that, I love it. God bless all of our…. just like husbands who are just… Like what? Like. Okay. And also like what? But, like. Yay! But like what?

Alison : That’s exactly right. Oh my God. Is there is there a truth in the cosmic zone that you think people will resist the most?

Madi: Yeah. Um hmm. Okay. I usually my go to answer is I think about this a lot. Like, my biggest one is usually, um, the the Aries key. Like the first one that starts off the book is like, why me? Like, because I think we all think that, like, we read spiritual things or we see truths out there or even right now, like back to the collective. It’s like we all have to be a part of it. Like no one’s coming to save us. We all have. We have a very Aries energy happening in our society, but I think we all kind of look at ourselves in the mirror and be like, not me. Like, surely she’s not talking about me because, like, we just know ourselves too much. I’m like, no, like I can’t even like, you know, make eggs without burning them, and I’m gonna save the planet. Yeah, right. Or, like, I had to go through the whole journey of, um, my of getting out of my comfort zone to my cosmic zone. You don’t do it one time, right? Like I kind of do live in my cosmic zone. I try to stay there, but part of it is that you keep putting yourself out for new things. So you have to go and find that edge. And for me, writing this book. Yeah, I was like, why me? Like I am? I don’t have a bunch of fancy letters after my name.

Madi: I’m not like a celebrity guru on like, whoever show. I’m just like, again, I’m just a girl from Long Island who talks a lot. And I think I got something to say, but I don’t really know. And so I’m writing the book and all of a sudden I’m like, and I had gotten my book deal and then I gave birth like, so I’m also in this like postpartum energy where you’re just like, I haven’t showered, I haven’t talked to an adult. Like, I’m in, like deep in, like breastfeeding, like Miss Rachel, like like no sleep. So I’m like, really like, who am I to write this? And I had to be like, why not you? Like, you have things, you have help people. You’ve helped yourself like girl like get back in, like why someone’s got to do this. Why not? You like. And I had to literally walk myself through every single one of those keys in the process of writing the book and promoting the book, because. But it was good. That’s how I know I’m like living, you know? Yeah, a life where I’m alive. But I find that one people are like, even if they’re like, yeah, subconsciously they’re like, no, not me.

Jean: Mhm.

Alison : That’s so interesting.

Madi: Yeah.

Alison : It’s I thought that would be an embraced one. That’s so interesting.

Madi: Maybe it’s the people who I like tend to work with. Like, they’re kind of, like, all recovering good girls in some way.

Alison : Huh?

Madi: So they’re like, no, like, I don’t know. But part of what I like to do with my work and my community and my clients is help people tap into, like, their bad, bad B energy. That’s like bad, bad, bad bitch with a good heart because it’s like.

Alison : Yeah.

Madi: You kind of need both. Like, you need to be really good hearted, but you also need to take up space and have confidence and be okay if it’s not everyone signing off on every decision. Um, I think the other key right now is like the key eight, um, I will not be shamed is kind of what’s like a lot of that is what’s happening in our society right now is like, we’re unearthing a lot of things that feel really heavy and dark, and we’ve been taught to, like, not talk about them or look at them. And actually, by just facing it head on, especially in the spiritual world, people are like, no, let’s just keep it light. Keep it high vibrational. Let’s stay focused on the positive. But like you actually do have to go into the places and look at the things that seem heavier because they just take away so much of your power by not acknowledging them. Right. So I’m always like, yeah.

Jean: It’s I just want to touch on that chapter. I think the way you…oh I hear someone…

Alison : oh Wait, who’s that?

Madi: I know, I’m sorry it’s just my little two year old decided to join us. So little Scorpio. Speaking of key eight, he’s like, I’m a Scorpio. I’m here.

Alison : He can totally be there. We love that. Yeah.

Madi: Yeah. Hi. Um, yeah. So sorry about.

Alison :  I love I love it. No, no, sorry. We love that stuff.

Madi:  you know mom life…. We’re like, oh, okay.

Jean:  You really articulated the shadow side so beautifully in your book and the importance to take a look at that.

Madi: Um, yeah.

Jean: and that it’s okay. And I love Free to Be me. It was so such a great chapter.  I mean, they all are, they.

Alison : they are all are really good.

Madi: Yeah, that’s one of my priorities for everyone reading the book. If they could just touch upon something. Right. We carry around a lot of things that feel really heavy because we’re not like turning to them and we turn to them. Usually those are the things that actually, like create the most gold in our lives if we just are able to, to sit with it. Um, and especially for women, it’s like it’s the biggest thing. I see people transform from being like this, like victim kind of feeling to being this, like victorious, full present, really powerful version of themselves. Um, so yeah.

Alison : Sometimes you have to walk through the fire.

Madi: You really have to. You really have to. And that’s what’s so cool about telling stories is because when you’re in it, every time you’re like, I don’t want to do this right.

Madi: I just want to watch my show on Netflix and have a snack. But then you go, but then you go through these moments of, like, looking at the things that you’re so scared of, you don’t want to look at or and you realize you’re like, oh, oh my God. Like, thank God I went through that, right. Because now I know, I know what I’m working with. I feel transformed, I feel more clear. And that is again, the tomb in the womb. What we’re going through right now as a collective.

Alison : Exactly. So we’ll let you go play with your son. We just have two really quick questions.

Madi: Yes.

Alison : What do you think inside wink means?

Madi: I first of all love this. And I saw it on the prompt to ask. I thought about it. To me, the inside wink feels like this quiet inner,  yes, like cheeky little wink from your higher self or the universe. Because I literally feel that feeling like I’m getting a wink from the universe… Like you know how you guys are all random? And then these two beautiful ladies repeated back everything you wanted to put in the book. You’re doing it, girl. Like you followed your intuition. You did it wink wink nudge nudge wink. Isn’t that so cute? And again, the universe, God like, has a cheeky sense of humor and wants us to feel fun. So that’s what it is to me.

Alison : And did you want to do the best one?

Jean: Oh, the best one is do you like cake, pie or ice cream or which one you prefer?

Madi: So I think I have to go with pie and I’m going to specify like a pudding pie or a pudding pie. Like a graham cracker crust and give me like a chocolate pudding cookie crumble on top. Goodbye, everyone. Leave me alone. Like I’m just gonna really have my way with that. Um, but such a good question.

Alison : We we always. It’s so fascinating what people say because. They they we we talk to these people like that are neuroscientists or something, and they’re like, oh. This question was hard. Pie, cake or ice cream  you know, it’s just like, okay, thank you so much. You’re so much fun.

Madi: Oh, you are both a dream.

Jean: You’re so Lovely. We’re so again, so thankful for your beautiful book, for your presence on our in our life and and on our show. So all the best to you.

Alison : Yes.

Alison : Yeah.

Madi: Thank you. It’s really fun. Thank you.

Alison : Have a great night.

Madi: Oh, that was so fun. Thank you. Sorry. He, like, came in, but it was pretty good. 45 minutes I was like okay. It was perfect timing. Um, but let me know if you need anything follow up wise. Let me know if you’re in New York, you want to hang up, but you two are like your dream. I talked to so many people, I’m sure as you do and like, especially the past few months. But you two really, like, lit something up in me. Thank you.

Jean:  Right back at you. You did it for us, too.

Alison : Good night.

Madi: Right. Have a great night. Bye.

Alison : Wow. I felt like like like she was a kindred spirit.

Jean: 100%.

Alison : Right? Yeah.  And I really think that this book, um, is a toolbox and even just some of the things she said, I felt like were little nuggets today just to live by.

Jean: Yeah. She is so wise and so funny. And and her offering is this book that she’s offering as her like legacy of love in a way…. Um, it’s it really can touch every single person.

Alison : Yeah.

Jean: And and as you and I were sharing before, you know, you can also glean into someone else’s sign and figure out, oh, you know what? They’re they’re moving through that so I can be a little more compassionate with that person. Um, so it’s it’s she was wonderful. This book is wonderful.

Alison : Yeah.

Jean: And, uh. You’re wonderful.

Alison : Yeah. No matter what your sign is, we’re with you. Just got you got you got some moon rising somewhere, and we’re loving it. Well, thank you so much for listening.

Jean: Okay. Have a great day.

Alison : Oh, we said at the same time.

Jean: Ding!