Podcast Episode 90: Dr. Bradley Nelson

Jean: Hi.

Alison : What were you thinking?

Jean: I was thinking, did I shut off the fan in the bathroom?

Alison : It sounds good.

Jean: Yeah. It’s quiet.

Alison : Right? It’s very nice. It’s very quiet here today. Hello there. Jean.

Jean: Hi, Alison.

Alison : Um, how are you doing?

Jean: I’m doing great.

Alison : Yeah,

Jean: It’s lovely to see you again. I get to see you twice this week.

Alison : That’s so wonderful, isn’t it? Um, we were just talking about our website and how we can make it better for our listeners and viewers.

Jean: Yeah, we want it. Excuse me.

Alison : Yeah.

Jean: Excuse me.

Alison : We want it to be, like, easily accessible– that people get the information right away. Is that what did you say that?

Jean: Yeah, I would absolutely. And that they understand what our topics are about.

Alison : Right.

Jean: So.

Alison : And if you guys have any ideas for topics, send it to [email protected]. We would love that, right?

Jean: We would, because you get the emails.

Alison : That’s right. That’s right. So I would love that. Fantastic. I send them to Jean. But today we have an excellent excellent guy. Right?

Jean: Yes. We have Doctor Bradley Nelson.

Alison : And could you tell me a little bit about him. Because I think you might be more familiar with him than me.

Jean: Okay. Well I’m going to read this. Uh, so doctor Bradley Nelson is a former chiropractor who created, uh, wrote, The Emotion Code book, and now he, uh, he published,  The Heart Code and he wrote this with his wife, Jean.

Alison : Um, which is what a nice name.

Jean: Nice name. I mean, you never hear that name.  So I bet she’s amazing.

Alison : It just rolls off the tongue. That’s right.

Jean: Okay, uh, the book, The Heart Code, based on the idea that unresolved emotions can get trapped in the body and affect our well-being. And that makes sense to me.

Alison : Yeah. And when I was reading the book, I called you because I was like, what? I’m not sure I get it fully. And so I’m really interested to talk to him about some of my questions and muscle testing and things like that. And, and he’s a like, seems like to be a lovely man.

Jean: He, he seems that way. Yep.

Alison : So I can’t wait. Yeah. Are you ready?

Jean: I’m ready.

Alison : Here we go.

Bradley: Hello!

Alison : Hello!

Jean: Oh, it is so such a pleasure to meet you.

Bradley: Yeah. Great to meet you, too.

Jean: My name is Jean.

Alison : And I’m Alison.

Bradley: Okay. Jean and Alison.

Jean: Yeah. Now, I don’t think you’ll have a hard time remembering my name…hahah

Bradley: No,

Alison : because of your wife.

Bradley: Jean and Alison. Got you. Yeah. My wife Jean.

Alison : Thank you so much for for coming on. We, um, we read The Heart Code and it’s incredibly interesting and amazing. Could you tell our listeners a little bit about how you got to the point of the hard code?

Bradley: Well, right. Um, okay. Well, I was a computer programmer starting in the early 80s. And, um, and then I became a doctor and, uh, because I’d been a computer programmer and because I was really, I was really obsessed with getting to the, uh, the underlying causes of my patients problems, right? I wanted to know what was really causing their issues so that I could fix them. And, uh, I had some experiences and I, that helped me to gradually realize that, uh, there is a computer of sorts inside of every person. And we call it the subconscious mind, right? And we can ask questions and get answers from it. And, um, so that sounds crazy. I remember when I was, uh, in, uh, I remember when I was in school, one of our, my neurology instructor was up at the board talking about how the brain is a computer and everything. And I’d been a programmer. And I remember sitting there thinking, wow, the brain’s a computer. I wonder if we’ll ever be able to access the information that must be in there to help our patients. Right. And I thought, well, maybe in a hundred years, maybe 200 years, we’ll have that. But little did I know, that’s what I was going to be spending the rest of my career doing. And so, um, so yes, so that’s, that was a huge thing for me to understand and realize that, uh, uh, we each have within us all the answers about what’s going on and what we really need. You know, the subconscious mind remembers everything.

Bradley: Um, every face you’ve ever seen in a crowd, everything you’ve ever eaten or tasted or touched or smelled, you know, the whole history of your your emotional life and everything is all in there. And so, um, one of the things that I found was that we, when we experience emotions, the normal process is that we feel an emotion because it’s coming in response to some stimulus that’s occurred. You know, we’ve seen something or someone said something or whatever. And normally we feel an emotion and then we just kind of acknowledge it. And then it just kind of dissipates its energy and it goes away. That’s normal. But sometimes, uh, sometimes we don’t deal with things the right way because sometimes an emotion is coming up for us and we don’t want to go there. So we bury it and we move on. Well, the problem is that emotional energy now is unexpressed. And so it’s still in the body. And we call it a trapped emotion. And trapped emotion is a little ball of energy. Uh, you know, about the size of a baseball or softball. Well, so that’s one way, another way that we develop emotional baggage because that’s what this is, is, um, if, uh, if we decide to take an emotion that we’re feeling that’s coming up for us and really enhance it. And those are the cases where we fly off the handle, right? And then later we realize, oh, man, I got to get a better handle on my emotions.

Alison : Exactly.

Bradley: It’ll also result in a trapped emotion. And then there’s one other way we develop these. Well, actually two other ways. The next way is if something happens, it’s just overwhelming, right? Like you lose a loved one or suddenly you’re in a divorce, you don’t want to be in one or, you know, a child is injured or, you know, things happen in life that can also result in emotional baggage. And there’s one other way that we develop emotional baggage, and that is we can absorb it from other people. Okay. And then there’s actually one way beyond that. Uh, and that is, um, that we inherit emotional energy at conception from mom or dad. And it’s it’s universal. Everybody receives emotional energy from mom or dad, but they may have received that energy from their mom or dad. And those can go back for sometimes many generations. Right? And so, uh, so yeah, that’s so the, uh, so here’s what happened, uh, as far as the heart, uh, in my practice years ago, I’ve been doing this for about 35 years in my practice, there were times when I would work on somebody and I would come away with this feeling like there was something missing, something that I wasn’t getting access to in their internal system. Right? I could ask questions, but there were things I couldn’t find. I didn’t know what that was.

Bradley: And, um, and then one day it was in 1998, my wife had a dream. And as I was trying to help her decipher this dream, suddenly I have this waking vision where the room that I’m in is not there anymore. And instead I’m seeing this unbelievably beautiful hardwood floor. And this is totally high def 3-D. It was an incredible experience. And, um, I at the same time that I’m seeing this floor, I have this understanding that comes into my mind that my wife’s heart is underneath this floor. Now, I have no idea what this means and I told her what I was seeing and understanding. She didn’t know what it meant either. So we asked for help from up above, and I started doing some muscle testing on her. Because that’s how the subconscious mind can give answers. Uh, the subconscious mind is essentially a binary computer in terms of its interface. So in other words, think of it this way. Um, for example, you know, if I look at my phone, right, this is a computer. There’s little buttons on here, icons I can press with my finger. So it’s a, it’s a touch screen interface. I’m sitting at my laptop. It’s got a screen where I can see things. It’s got a keyboard where I can, you know, communicate.

Bradley: And so it’s the screen slash keyboard interface. But the the human body has this immensely powerful computer within it, I think. Um, so powerful. It’s beyond our ability to comprehend. I think it’s the level of intelligence that, um, is orders of magnitude greater than we can even begin to imagine because it’s, it’s, um, if you think about all the things it’s doing and all these chemical reactions going on that we just kind of take for granted, right?  every moment of life really is a miracle, right? One, we live one miracle moment to the next because we really, by all rights shouldn’t, shouldn’t really be alive. It shouldn’t really work, but it does. So, uh, but anyway, the subconscious mind is a binary computer really, so we can ask questions and get answers. So for example, if I were there with you, with you, I could ask either one of you, Alison or Jean, to hold out your arm. And if you were to say your name, for example, Jean, if I’m working on you, you could say my name is Jean. And that’d be a true statement. And if I were to press down on your outstretched arm, you’d be able to resist me. You’d be strong. But if you were to say my name, uh, you know, is Joan or Bob or something, your arm would go down.

Bradley: And that’s just a natural response, because the subconscious mind, um, knows the difference between what’s true and what isn’t and what’s positive and what’s negative and so on. So, um, so you can get information out of the body this way. So I started asking my wife questions, right? Testing her arm. Okay. Trying to figure out what in the world is this about? What’s going on here? What was this whole vision thing and what’s going on? Your heart was underneath this floor. And what we found was that, um, there was a wall around her heart, symbolically made of hardwood. And she grew up in a house with hardwood floors. Her dad put the floors in. She remembers seeing that happen, but her dad was also a rageaholic. And so, um,  a very dysfunctional family. And, uh, by the time we found it, by the time she was two years old, she had begun to build a wall around her heart. And that wall was made of layers of her emotional baggage. Right. The emotional energies that had become trapped in her body. And, uh, so this is all really fascinating, right? And, uh, so I asked, okay. And I have to tell you, in the beginning, I thought, okay, she’s had some weird stuff. I thought, this is probably, uh, she’s probably the only person in the world that has this weird thing.

Bradley: Well, so I’ll just leave that hanging for a minute because because then I asked, okay, can we start removing these emotions, these layers of emotional energy? And the answer was yes. So it took us about two weeks and we were able to finally get rid of all of those. And when the last one was gone, This shift happened for her. She had, um, she had always felt like she was on the outside looking in with every relationship she was ever in, with friends that she’d known for her whole life. She always felt like she was kind of the odd person out. Like she didn’t really ever belong anywhere, really. It was easy for her to feel negative emotions, harder to feel positive ones. She battled with depression and anxiety until that last emotional energy was gone and her heart was suddenly open. And all of that shifted. And for the first time in her life, she began to feel connected to other people. Really cool. So, um, so yeah, I thought, okay, well, you know, she’s maybe the only person in the world that has this. Well, now we know that about 93% of people have it. This is the norm in this world, on this particular planet, on other planets, it’s probably not the norm, but it is here.

Alison : Did you have a heart wall?

Bradley: Yeah, I did, yeah. It’s so common. Children can have a heart wall. You know, it’s so interesting because when we work on, for example, um, children that are autistic, one of the things, one of their hallmarks is they won’t tend to make eye contact. They seem to always, all the cases that we’ve seen, they always have a heart wall when that wall is taken down. One of the very first things they do is they suddenly begin to make eye contact. Wow. Isn’t that interesting?

Jean: Very

Bradley: Yeah. And one of the very next people that I saw, uh, that had a heart wall was this woman that came in to see me. And she, um, she came in because she had pretty severe neck pain. Right. It’s about a nine on a 0 to 10 scale and had been going on for a while, and she’d seen a couple of other doctors and it was still bothering her. So she came in to see me. And as I was talking with her, she told me that she was single and was never going to get married, ever. She was going to die single and she was 38 years old. She hadn’t dated in eight years. And she was an attractive woman. She was a nurse, actually. And she said. I said to her, well, how did you arrive at this conclusion? I mean, you’re going to live the rest of your life single. That seems, you know, kind of intense. And she said that eight years before, she was really deeply in love with this guy that broke her heart, you know, and that was it. So I tested her and found she had there were three emotions, three layers of emotional energy wrapped around her heart.

Bradley: And they all had to do with the breakup from eight years before. When I cleared the last one, suddenly the neck pain was gone. Right? Because that’s that’s. So she got what she came for, you know, she wanted to get out of pain. And she did so. And she didn’t come back for about three months. And when she came back in my office, I’ll always remember this. I saw her in my hallway and I said, hey, how are you? What’s going on? Because I remembered her immediately. And, uh, she said, my neck has been fine since I was here. But, you know, you cleared that heart wall for me. And that really works because she said about two weeks after I was here, last, I found out that my childhood sweetheart has been living right around the corner from me for almost eight years, and we’re dating and we’re in love. And I think he’s going to ask me to marry him. Right? And I just thought. Wait…. I thought you were…

Alison : That’s so great.

Bradley: Yeah.

Jean: I mean….You give such great stories in your book.

Bradley: Yeah, there are a lot of them too.

Jean: So for our listeners that really have no idea about this mind body connection and emotional connection, why is the heart so important to clear?

Bradley: Well, you know, it’s a great question. I’ll tell you what it is. It, uh, the reality of it is that the heart is everything the ancients believed it to be.  um, ancient societies, you know, the Greeks, the Romans, um, you know, uh, the, the Indians in East India, the Chinese. They all had different ideas about the heart, but  they pretty much line up that they believed that the heart was the seat of the soul, or the source of creativity or romance, that they believed the heart was really the most important organ in the body, the core of our being. Where did they get those crazy ideas? Well, because they were great observers. And think about it. If you’re feeling really hurt, if you’re really deep in grief, where do you feel it? Well, you feel it right here, don’t you? Right in your core. And so that happens when your heart is kind of under assault, right? But by the same token, they also had to have noticed that, um, if they were listening to somebody, for example, performing, someone is singing and they’re singing truly from their heart, inevitably their heart would begin to resonate with that other heart. And they feel it here. I mean, all you have to do is watch some of these, um..oh, you know, these, uh, like America’s Got Talent or those shows, right? Where they, especially the ones where they uncover this unbelievable talent that’s blowing them all away. Yeah. They’ll pan around to the audience and people have got tears in their eyes and they’ve, they’ve got hands over their heart. Well, the ancients understood these things about the heart. So they believed the heart was all of these mystical things, right.

Bradley: Well, in the West, we’ve never paid any attention to those ideas. But back in the 1960s was when they first began doing heart transplants. And it didn’t take too long before doctors started noticing a weird phenomenon that sometimes certain patients would come back to them and they would report crazy things. For example, uh, that their taste in music had radically changed. Or food or sports, or sometimes they would, uh, say that, uh, they now had memories of being in places that they never in their life had ever visited. And in every occasion when these people were connected with the family of the heart donors, they would find out, well, yes, our son was a baseball player. And now you love baseball. Well, that’s weird. Or, you know, our daughter visited Paris every chance she got. It was her favorite city. And now you have memories of being in Paris. And you’ve never in your whole life ever been there. Those must be her memories. How weird is that, right? Everybody knows about this. It’s called cellular memory. And there are just so many amazing stories. One of my favorite ones is a nine year old girl who was dying of heart failure, and she got her heart from another little girl who had been murdered. And when she recovered, she began having these nightmares. And the nightmares were that she was being killed. And her descriptions of the murderer and the murder weapon led to the arrest and conviction of the killer of the donor. She was seeing the donor’s murder. I mean, think about that. It’s just mind blowing, right?

Jean: It’s mind blowing.

Alison : Yeah. So totally exciting.

Bradley: Yeah, it is exciting. Well, we’re living now in the age of the heart, and so now we know that when you feel like your heart’s going to break your subconscious mind, and I believe, really, that the heart is the seat of the subconscious, it will begin to build a wall to protect itself. And it uses energy to, to protect itself. And the energies that are available in the body are the energies of our emotional baggage, right? And so it starts building a wall. I mean, you know, look at the walls in your office or in your house. What are those made of? Well, you know, wall board and lumber and so on. But really on a quantum level, they’re just made of energy. And the subconscious mind knows that. And so it builds a wall. And it’s not unusual at all when that wall is taken down for people to fall in love who never thought they would. It’s not unusual for people to have creative ideas that begin to flow spontaneously, because the best creative ideas you’ll ever have will not come from the brain in your head. They’ll come from the brain in your heart. And that’s why when you graduate from high school or college, someone’s going to tell you you should follow your heart. And that’s great advice. But what if you have a heart wall because 93% of people do, right? You got to get rid of the heart wall. That’s what the heart code books about. It was, you know, in the Emotion Code that first came out in 2007. There was one chapter about this, and we knew at that time, eventually we’re going to have to write another book about it. And so the time is right now. And, uh, and so, so my wife is my co-author on this book, the Heart Code. And, um, it’s, uh, it’s time because.

Alison : Yeah.

Bradley: I mean, think about it. If you’re trying to go through life with a wall around your heart, it makes it much more difficult for you to create the life you really want. And you know, to, to find your soulmate because that love is an energy. It’s not just an action, it’s an energy. That energy, when that energy flows out through those layers of negative emotions, it’s not the same when it hits that other person’s subconscious mind, when it hits their heart, you know, and they may just turn around and walk away because their subconscious might be thinking, wow, that person’s bad news because of all the negative energy that you, you know, is twisting and deforming that pure energy that you’re sending to them. And that’s why people end up being single, you know, for years and years and why it’s harder if you’ve been through a divorce, for example, it’s a lot harder for you to find love again. And, you know, because now you’ve got this wall, if you didn’t have it before…so….

Alison : and in the book, you give a very interesting, detailed, uh, guide on how to, to do this for yourself or to someone else.

Bradley: Absolutely. So you can do it with the information that’s in the book. You can do this on yourself. You don’t have to hire anybody to do it. Lots of people have done it themselves, cleared their own heart walls.

Alison : Yeah, I know, I want to talk about that. Um, I want to clear my heart wall. So the minute this, I’m the type of person like, let’s do it. I got to like chapter three and I’m like, I’m in. Okay, let’s do it. But the muscle testing for me, um, feels like, like how whole do I type? Like, how tight do I hold? Nothing opens, everything opens. How do I know i’m not kidding myself? Like, you know?

Bradley: Well, you know, um, self muscle testing, which we teach in the book is, uh, it’s a skill, right? And the two most common mistakes that people make, uh, one mistake and what we’re talking about really is what we call the ring in ring test where you, you make, uh, two rings out of your thumbs and forefingers and you link them together. So there’s a chain. Uh, the most common mistake people make is they use too much energy, too much strength in those rings, so they’re way too tight. What I have learned is that, um, uh, if you pick up, let’s say you pick up a ladybug in your kitchen and you carry it outside, you know, between your thumb and your forefinger. Yeah. How much force would you use?

Alison : Very gentle, very gentle.

Bradley: And that’s about how much force you can use for the muscle testing. Very, very gentle. And then the other thing that’s interesting is, um, uh, can you type?

Alison : Uh, yeah,  I’m hunt and peck.

Bradley: Hunt and peck. Okay. Well, if you think about it, um, if you go, if you watch somebody who’s really great at typing, maybe they’re typing along, you know, 100, 120 words a minute or something, what they’ll tell you is, um, if they start thinking about what their fingers are doing, their speed immediately drops, you know, dramatically, right? Because the subconscious mind knows what it’s doing. And, and, uh, same thing with muscle testing. So in other words, if you’re focusing on the test itself, focusing on your fingers, it kind of short circuits the process. So you focus on the question and, uh, and, and then keep your focus there and allow the muscle test to take place kind of out of your focus. And, uh, and that will work better for you. The other thing, of course, is that you can use a pendulum and pendulums work great for this kind of thing. And, uh, yeah, so I explained that in the book too.

Alison : Yeah. If I used a pendulum, I could close my eyes. Right. And not really see which way it was going at the beginning and then see. Okay. Yeah, I didn’t think of that. It’s such a great, it’s such an interesting… Because you give exact guides on how to move through the questioning of yourself or somebody else.

Bradley: Well, we want everybody to, uh, to learn how to do this because the world, uh, I believe the world is…. It’s like the world is in labor trying to give birth to this whole new, amazing world, this new existence that lots of people have talked about. I mean, since Time Out of Mind. But that right now we’re on the very verge of how do we do that? Well, there’s a lot of healing that has to take place, right? And I believe maybe the single biggest block of all is that 90 plus percent of people in the world have got a wall around their heart. So people are walking around and they’re trying to really feel with this brain, which really isn’t programmed. It’s not designed to feel, right. We have two brains, and the brain that’s in our heads does not really feel anything. And so here we are. It’s 2026. And you’d think that mankind would have, you know, progressed further. But here we are. And we’re still using war to, you know, as an extension of politics and to, you know—This brain thinks it’s perfectly logical to drop bombs on people you know and. Et cetera. So it’s time for all that to shift… But it’s by opening this brain because then you begin to really feel, see. And, um, it’s just the most, it’s the most incredible thing. Um, a couple of months ago, one of our practitioners told us that she was working on this lady remotely. And you can do this all remotely to she was in a nursing home and I guess she’d been a spinster all her life. And now she’s really at an old age and she’s in this nursing home, but she gets her heart well cleared for the first time in her whole life, no doubt. And about a week later, she reports back that she’s suddenly in love for the first time in her life with this elderly gentleman that is just down the hall.

Alison : I love that.

Bradley: It’s so cute.

Jean: That is so cute.

Jean: Okay, so I have a question. So after you have, you know, you clear your heart wall or walls, there can be walls, right?

Bradley: Well, most yeah, we refer to it as one wall made of multiple layers or multiple emotions. Right. Sometimes it’s only one. The lady that I worked on that I mentioned, you know, the nurse, she had three. It could be ten, maybe 20, but, uh, you just never know.

Alison : Wow. Yeah.

Jean: You could be with us all weekend.

Jean: so after you do the clearing, can can heart walls reform?

Bradley: They can. And so, um, typically what will happen is, and what we recommend for people is once the heart wall is gone to check it periodically, okay, maybe once a month, come back and just check it. It’s possible that, that if your heart feels that it needs to be protected, Maybe there’s something, you know, hard going on. It might it might build another layer. Right. And typically that will just be one emotion. Sometimes two. But that can happen. Now in rare cases, a person some people might continually just keep building it and building it. You take it down, it gets built again. In that case, what we do is we we take a different angle and we ask the subconscious mind, okay, um, what is the reason? Is there a reason why you keep rebuilding this wall? And then often what we’ll find is some other really gnarly emotion of terror or something somewhere in the body. And we clear that. And then that usually fixes it.

Jean: That’s great. You know, I think your work is so important, um, especially for sensitive people and empaths because, because if you’re very sensitive, you know, you, you close down, you just don’t, you just feel so vulnerable. And, you know, now is the time that we do need, as they say, empowered empaths to really be the leaders in our world. So how great to clear those walls and so that sensitive people can can take the reigns.

Alison : Yeah. Yeah.

Bradley: Well, and the reality, I think is that we’re, we’re all sensitive people in a way. Once the walls taken down.

Jean: Yeah.

Bradley: Because people go through life, you know, with a, you know, they got a heart wall the, the size of a house maybe, you know, made out of it’s weird because the subconscious will always choose, uh, some kind of a symbolic material for the wall to be quote unquote, made out of. Right. And, uh, and it’s interesting because we’ve seen all kinds of things, everything from like one way mirror to, uh, typically it’s some kind of building material like stone, iron steel. Those are really, really common. But I mean, it’s interesting because there’s also a physical correlation because sometimes people will have a big wall and they’ve also got, you know, shoulder pain and pain in the upper back because in a way, this thing is real. It’s just on another dimension that we can’t see. But to the subconscious mind, yeah, you actually, uh, you know, you’ve, you’ve got a, you’ve got a heart wall there that the size of an exercise ball and it’s made out of lead. Imagine carrying that around.

Alison : Right?

Jean: Yeah.

Bradley: And then when that’s cleared, oftentimes that pain goes away.

Alison : Can you pray or meditate your way out of a heart wall?

Bradley: Well, you know, I think there’s, uh, I think it’s possible. The nice thing about the emotion code is that, um, you can usually get it done, you know, within a week or so. You might have to meditate for years to do it.

Bradley: I don’t know.

Alison : Yeah.  And why does it matter to know the event? Like we’ve watched you clear somebody, right?

Bradley: Yeah.

Alison : Why does it matter? Uh, when the event was or what the event is. Why? Why is that important to discover for you?

Bradley: Well, we don’t always know, but here’s the thing, okay? If you think about it, an emotional experience, um, you can think of it as being like a loop, right? You begin to feel the emotion. Normally we acknowledge it, we allow it to dissipate its energy. The loop closes and that experience is over. Right? But in these three circumstances that I talked about, you know, burying the emotion or artificially enhancing it or it just being overwhelming, what ends up happening is that loop doesn’t complete. So now you’ve got an open loop and the emotional energy is still there. Now in order for that, for the subconscious mind to be okay with totally closing that loop and allowing that to really be done, uh, and finished sometimes for, for its own reasons, the subconscious mind will want you to know certain things, and oftentimes it’s enough to just find the emotion, identify it. That’s enough. But, um, for example, I worked on somebody just recently and I’m retired. I just travel and speak and do things like this now. But, but I was working on a friend and, um, what showed up was this trapped emotion and we traced it back, traced it back, traced it back.

Bradley: And I think it was grief or sadness, and it traced back to when they were in the womb, actually. And that and so the subconscious mind wanted us to know once we got to there, I asked, do we need to know anything else? The subconscious mind said, yep, there’s something else you need to know. And the next question was, okay, well, was this your emotion? Uh, it did originate with you. And the answer was no. And it was from, uh, it was from her mother. So her mother was feeling this intense emotion. Those are, uh, yeah, I was in the third trimester. First trimester. Things are very rare, but second and third are more common. And so her mom was going through something intense, feeling that vibrational energy of that emotion. And the baby was also in there feeling it and it got trapped in the baby. And so. So you never know. And with inherited emotions, what’s interesting is you have to figure out you can’t release it unless you figure out if it came from mom or dad.

Alison : Wow.

Bradley: And if they got it from somebody earlier. And so, um, we always figure out the, at least the number of generations. And if it came from mom or dad, and then the subconscious mind will sometimes want you to know who it originated with too, if it was a male or a female. And so it’s another way of doing genealogy.

Alison : Exactly. It’s hard genealogy, you know, it’s, you know.

Jean: It’s so fascinating. I, I just really appreciate everything you’re sharing with us. So let’s say someone’s listening and they want to work with a practitioner. How do they… So they just reach out and find the practitioner and they can do it remotely, which….

Bradley: Yes, we’ve got. Um, yeah, we have, I think we have almost 16,000 certified practitioners now and 108 countries. So if you want to find somebody, you can go to discoverhealing.com. That’s our main website, discoverhealing.com. And if you go to that website, just click on the practitioners button. And we have, we have staff practitioners that are our staffers that do work. And then we’ve got people, there’s Google map and you can find somebody and, um, they don’t have to be in your neck of the woods. They, I mean, you might find the ideal person for you is based in Singapore or London or, you know, but yes, it absolutely works at a distance just as well as it does, uh, you know, live and in person. There’s no difference really. It’s the same thing.

Alison : I love that. And can we talk a little bit about the Hawaiian prayer?

Bradley: Yes, absolutely. – The Ho’oponopono prayer. Well, that’s something that we included in the Heart Code book really, because it’s made such a difference for us. And, um, the Ho’oponopono prayer is, uh, is something that you can, I highly recommend that you kind of make part of your life because, uh, you can’t really have peace in your life until you’ve forgiven everybody. And also until really you’ve asked for forgiveness from everybody. And so Ho’oponopono, the prayer is, uh, it’s just four statements. I’m sorry.  Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you.   And I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said that. And what’s interesting is, you know, as you as you get older, you go back through your life and you use that little prayer and things will come to mind. You know, where you, you maybe you hurt somebody. You and we’ve all hurt people and we’ve all done things we’d rather not have done, etc.. Right? But, um, and you’re not going to be able to go back, you know, in the past and connect with every single person that you ever were in contact with. But what will happen is as you do that, um, it enables you to kind of find peace because, you know, you’re, you’re asking really for forgiveness and you’re, you’re kind of tying up these loose ends in your life. And, um, it’s just really interesting. Uh, it’s, it’s, it’s really fun because, you know, when you clear your heart wall, your vibrational level rises and, you know, people have talked for many years about becoming an ascended being. Well, what does that mean? Well, becoming an ascended being, uh, the, the clue to that is the people who die and come back and what they say and they say things like, for example, that they had a life review and in the life review, um, everybody in their life that, you know, all their whole entire life is played and they comprehend their whole life and they comprehend the good things that they did and the bad things that they did.

Bradley: And they’re able to experience not only from their point of view, but also from the point of view. They’re able to feel how other people felt about, you know, what happened in their whole entire life. So they come back feeling like they need to really try to be as good as they can, try to, um, try to treat people well and be kind. You know, every day for the rest of their lives. The beautiful thing about the heart wall and getting it, you know, released is that suddenly your ability to feel love raises and your ability to love unconditionally. And those people that die and they come back, they often have, you know, in this life review, they’re never asked how big of a house they lived in or how much money they made. No. Right. Never. But they are asked about their ability to love others. Right? And I think that’s a real clue because and when that wall is taken down, our ability to love others and to love unconditionally, you know, regardless of what a person looks like or anything, that ability increases, right? And so we, our, our vibrational energy in a sense, elevates and we begin to become happy in spite of what’s going on in the world, you know, or in our lives. We, uh, we can be happy even in cases where, you know, we wondered if we could ever have a happy moment ever again.

Alison :  Mhm. Yeah.

Bradley: It’s still possible.

Alison : Do you think-  can you tell me, because we discussed this a lot. Unconditional love. How can that beautiful idea and the idea of not being able to fulfill something that someone else wants or needs from you, how can they live in the same place? Do you understand my question?

Bradley: Yeah, absolutely. Well, it’s all about resistance, really. See, because we spend a lot of our lives resisting things that we don’t like, right? We spend a lot of time resisting other people, other ideas. Um, you know, the will of the higher power for us. We resist against all those things thinking that we know better. But what that does is it, um, it leads to negative emotions, right? Uh, on the other hand, when we, when we flip that around and we move into a state of acceptance, which is the product really of unconditional love, right? When we accept things, then suddenly, instead of being in this state of resistance where we’re creating all of this friction, then life becomes frictionless. It’s like the guru that said, um, you know, in my world, nothing ever goes wrong. It’s like that. Or it’s like the story from I can’t remember who it was that, um, emergency room doctor that had three people they resuscitated in the ER, which is very unusual. And they all said the same thing. They had died and they all came back and they all in more or less the same words they said, uh, they said why did you bring me back number one, nobody ever wants to come back.

Bradley: And then. Right. And number two, um, that for the first time in their whole existence, when they got to the other side, they felt totally accepted. Right? Think about that. They had to die to feel that. Well, we can create a world where people feel totally accepted and they don’t have to die to get there. It’s all about unconditional love… And the source of unconditional love is the heart. But when there’s a wall there, it’s much, much more difficult. So when the wall is taken down,  your ability to love others improves your ability to, uh, to forgive, because forgiveness really is an act of love too.  even though, you know, we think it’s for the person that wronged us. But it’s like Lewis Smedes said, forgiveness is like setting the prisoner free, only to find out the prisoner was you. Right. So, uh, yeah, that’s what it’s all about. All these amazing things.

Alison : Yes. Yeah.

Jean: It is, it is about love. And and it’s it’s so true to your point, uh, you know, when you hear of someone that has left their body and everyone says it’s about love.

Alison : Yeah.

Jean: All About love. So.

Alison : Um, and I have to tell you, this quote that you wrote, was like an epiphany for me. And I wrote a quote in the book. In the book, it is on page 84 in The Heart Code. And you’re saying you experienced homesickness.

Bradley: Oh, yes.

Alison : And that it was a soul ache. You’re discussing this feeling that you had. And then you said, um, “the memory of our heavenly home would pull at us so strongly we would not be able to fulfill our mission here.” And that kept me up- because I thought to myself, I’ve never heard it explained that way. And I just wanted to thank you for that. Like, I think that’s an amazing paragraph.

Bradley: Well, not only would we not be able to fulfill our missions here, we wouldn’t be able to tolerate it here.

Alison : Mhm. Yeah.

Bradley: I mean, uh, yeah, that’s what I learned. We wouldn’t be able to stand it here for five minutes because the place that we came from is incomprehensibly, uh, higher in vibration. And it’s a it’s a place of unconditional love– And, uh, we can’t even comprehend it. I mean, we’re we’re so far from that, but we have an opportunity…. This world’s been given to us, and we have an opportunity. We can remake this world. We can change it. It doesn’t have to be full of darkness and war and all these bad things. We can shift it. And people have seen this shift happen. Um, people have seen that. And this is a key part of this.  if we can take down enough walls from enough people in the world, all of a sudden we hit the tipping point and boom, the world transforms. People have seen it happen. So yeah.

Alison : Thank you for that though. It’s just really very meaningful. And ask one more thing. Yeah, before we usually switch back and forth. But I’m like you before you, um, were talking about how magnificent our brain computer is. What do you just really briefly, what do you think of AI?

Bradley: Oh, I think AI is, uh, is a tool that, um, has, I think that everything that’s good, you know, people can take credit, uh, for creating amazing things and developments that have moved mankind forward. But I believe that really there’s only one source and the source is the, is the, you know, is God, it’s our, it’s our father in heaven. It’s the source from whence all great things come. Right. And we might think that it’s all because of our own blood, sweat and tears. But really it’s anything that’s good has come from up above. And so I don’t take any credit for this work. Uh, I tell people, look, I just work here. I just have this job. I’m grateful for it, you know? But this is, you know.

Jean: I’m just the pizza delivery guy.

Bradley: That’s exactly right. I’m the Uber guy.

Alison : Right.

Jean: Well, oh my goodness. I, you know, again, your stories are phenomenal. I’m really so happy to speak with you, and I truly hope people, um, purchase your book and and for themselves. It’s a true gift of love to yourself to live life at your highest potential and, and you give us a way to do that. So thank you so much. We have two wrap up questions.

Bradley: Oh, wait, before we go to those, can I just share with people if they want to, uh, get a free session from one of our practitioners? If they just go to my website at doctor Bradley Nelson.com — drbradleynelson.com. They can order books there, the copies of The Heart Code book. And if they order a few books, um, then they actually get a free sample session. Uh. Oh.

Alison : That’s great.

Alison : That’s wonderful.

Bradley: It’s a great deal.

Jean: Yeah, it is a great deal.

Bradley: Okay. Go ahead.

Alison : Okay.

Jean: Our last two questions. Go for it Alison

Alison : What do you think? Our podcast is called Inside Wink. And so, what do you think inside wink means?

Bradley: Well, you know. What comes to my mind is, uh, when my wife and I got married, we’ve been married 45 years this year, and we’ve got eight kids. Thanks. But back in about 1981, when we first got married, we got in some situations where, you know, we didn’t really quite know how to excuse ourselves graciously. So we came up with this kind of like an inside wink. And what it was, was if one of us tugged on, on his, his or her ear, it was like, okay, it’s time to go. Right. We still we’re still doing that 45 years later. Um, so yeah, I guess that’s what it comes. That’s what comes up for me.

Alison : That’s funny. Are those like those boring parties? Like. Yeah.  exactly.

Bradley: Time to go.

Jean: I know, because you run it sometimes. And you know, when you have small kids, you can always say, sorry, we gotta go, you know? Little Bobby needs us.

Bradley: Oh, yeah. Great excuse.

Jean: Then they know your kids are much older, and it.

Alison : Doesn’t make sense when they’re 30, you know?

Jean: Okay. And our last question is, do you prefer cake, pie or ice cream?

Bradley: Oh, boy. You know, I really prefer pie, but certain kinds of pie, like boysenberry pie. My favorite actually, is, um, rhubarb.

Alison : Oh, yes.

Jean: That’s a great one.

Alison : Yes. We, you know, surprisingly, we just had someone else say that recently. Strawberry rhubarb. The votes are going up for that.

Bradley: Strawberry rhubarb or just rhubarb to really tangy.

Alison : Yeah.

Bradley: Yeah. Good stuff.

Jean: Very nice.

Alison : Thank you so much. You’re so lovely. And your book is, is, um, is so it’s groundbreaking. I think it’s very, very interesting. And we’re going to look for sessions or try to do it to each other. So we’ll see.

Bradley: Go for it. Great to meet you both.

Jean: Oh, it’s a pleasure meeting you. Thank you to your wife. I know she helped you and, uh, that’s beautiful. So many blessings.

Alison : Have a wonderful day.

Bradley: Same to you. Thank you so much, both of you. Take care.

Alison : Thank you.

Bradley: Bye bye.

Alison : That was so different than I thought. First of all.  He’s so open and interesting, and, um- i really want to do this.

Jean: I do too, so I let’s try to find a practitioner.

Alison : Yeah, I think that and I want to do the, um, the Hawaiian prayer.

Jean: Yeah. I think the doing the Hawaiian prayer. That is something that you can do on your own. Just hold an intention, right? Either for someone or just in general. Like I do think holding your hand on your heart and saying that prayer, I mean, try it or deny it. Like it really might shift something in your subconscious that that you don’t even know you’re holding on to.

Alison : Yeah. And I do think, you know, Eckhart Tolle  talks about the pain body, and I think that this kind of reminded me of that, that you have this energy kind of trapped in you, that it’s challenging to release. And I think I think he’s right. I think that the world is really at a tipping point. Yeah. And that, you know, if, if more people can move in love, it’s only going to be better for everybody.

Jean: Right.

Alison :  you know.

Jean: Yeah. And I, yeah, I, I just think his work is so important. Just clearing the heart energy. And as he said, you know, so many religions and and ancient civilizations, they knew the power was coming through that heart center, the heart chakra, whatever you want to call it. And reminds me of because I was raised Catholic, you know, when you go into church, you’d see a picture of Jesus, you know, pointing to his heart –saying, this is where it’s at. Right here. Right here.

Alison : Exactly.

Jean: It’s not he’s not pointing to his head. He’s pointing to his heart.

Alison : Or his phone, his iPhone.

Jean: Or his butt.hahah

Alison : He’s pointing right here.

Alison : That’s exactly right. And I, you know, I want to be able to release some of the things that I feel might have clouded my ability to be open.  you know, and I think what he said sometimes I have felt that way, like as an outsider when I was younger, and I would love to have that cleared. So I’m really going to I’m really going to try to do the book. And I think you and I should do the muscle testing.

Jean: We’re going to try it all and we’ll report back to you.

Alison : That’s right.

Alison : We’ll let you know if my if she breaks my arm because I’m holding it up. There you have it. Well, I hope you guys enjoyed this. It was really great to meet him. And it’s, The Heart Code and, um, um, let’s, you know, move in love, right?

Jean: Move in love. I love that,

Jean: I love that.

Alison : All right. Have a great day.

Jean: Bye.